New Kiss boss Moss quashes Wyatt rumours

Friday, September 19, 2008

Lucy Huxley


The former boss of Freedom Flights, which folded as part of last week’s XL Leisure Group collapse, has joined start-up seat-only operator Kiss Flights as a director.

 

Close links between the start-up and XL have prompted speculation former XL chief executive Phil Wyatt was behind the company, but ex-Freedom director Paul Moss (left) said this was totally untrue.

 

Speaking to TTG on Friday afternoon, Moss explained that his former “right hand man”, Michael Smith, had left XL two months previously to set up Kiss Flights on the invitation of aviation broker Meridian Aviation, which XL had worked with.

 

Moss confirmed he had become a director of Kiss Flights on Monday, just three days after XL went bust, but insisted he had not planned to join – or at least not so soon.

 

“I would be a liar if I said I thought I would never be involved in Kiss Flights - I’ve been at Freedom Flights for 10 years," he said.

 

“But what I would have adored is for XL to have been refinanced and been successful and then when the time was right, I would have left on a high.

 

“As it is, launching a new brand into the market with links to XL and the publicity it’s had, is not ideal.”

 

But Moss argued that having Freedom Flights management behind the new venture, which starts operations on Monday, September 22, was actually “fantastic”.

 

“We have been supplying agents and third-party operators with seats really happily for the last 10 years," said Moss.

 

“XL’s collapse took a lot of capacity out of the market. About 25% of its capacity went to third-party operators – that’s about half a million seats – so those guys need more capacity.

 

“They can only really get it from the big two and Monarch now, so an opportunity has arisen.”

 

Moss explained that two aircraft, one from Manchester and one from Gatwick, would start flying on Monday.

 

“The vast majority of the seats will be for third-party operators and the rest will be sold through Kiss Flights.”

He revealed Kiss Flights’ Atol was for just 25,000 seats, describing it as “just a scratch on the back” of the 850,000 that Freedom Flights was licensed for. But he hinted that Kiss Flights could quickly grow.

 

“There are a lot of aircraft out there. The secondhand market is pretty good at the moment.”

Moss said his key role was to assist Smith with the launch and to work on “other projects”.

 

And responding to speculation that Wyatt was behind the venture and may have set it up as a “parachute”, Moss said: “People are bound to say that because Phil and I are good friends and Phil is also close to Andre (Cachia) – who runs Meridian, but it’s absolutely not true.

 

“Phil was – and is – absolutely devastated by the collapse of XL and absolutely not involved in Kiss.”

 



Comment on this Story


16  Responses to this Story

1.  Posted by John Smith, On 09/01/2009 12:20

I'm hoping Kiss gets the early demise it deserves.

"What good is it if you gain the whole world, yet forfit your soul"


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2.  Posted by Gokhan Ozsarac, On 28/10/2008 13:38

There is sooo much in to this that not many people is aware.... Watch this space. I am sending an e-mail to Lucy Huxley to give her a few tips. Lets see if she will follow it or not


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3.  Posted by Lion Right, On 23/10/2008 08:15

You know what is more sad Justin...CAA is given Atol protection licence to Kiss flights which is run by those failed Freedom Flights MD....what abut our rights...what about our hard earned cash has been taken by those failed bosses...and will never paid back to us...where is the JUSTICE my dear friend Justin.....


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4.  Posted by Justin Justice, On 22/10/2008 16:53

What a country...Flight companies and Financial Institutions are all ripping off the ordinary people and nobody takes any action to save those hard earned people...They are busting and after couple of months they are all coming back with different named companies to rip us more....Nobody question those MD's why all those failed companies are took our hard earned cash....Those MD's are now laughing behind their big tables and making new plans to "kiss" us hard again....and sad thing is there are still people in this industry to support them...sad so sad...when we will learn that we are the power when we all come together......


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5.  Posted by Lion Right, On 20/10/2008 15:05

Already had been kissed by XL ( Freedom Flights)...and I do not want to be kissed again by Kiss Flights..They even taken deposit for 2009..if they were honest they will not collect deposit for 2009 until last minute.....I think those failured company bosses or directors should have been banned at least 5 years from forming new company or chosen as directors....My opinion "no way out" those failed ones..and I will never support them....Lion Right


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6.  Posted by , On 24/09/2008 21:02

I note that Andre Cashia is also a director in Viking Airlines.....


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7.  Posted by john smith, On 23/09/2008 00:38

I wish kiss flights all the best, and especially paul and michael. We are in an industry that very quickly turns the good guys into villians. Paul moss was devastated about the colapse especially as freedom flights were not the main cause of the colapse of the xl group. We, as agents, have enjoyed 10 years of competative prices and good destinations on offer from freedom, as well as many very good incentives and not to mention the freedom weekends for the last 4 years where we were all treated as equals and friends. Its such a shame people forget this in a whim. We have been all affected by the xl colapse but life goes on, and if there is another flight provider offereing even a fraction of the flights freedom did we should get behind them not against them as it is in all of our interests.
best of luck with kiss.


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8.  Posted by david archer, On 22/09/2008 15:38

yeah, allright William, JOG ON


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9.  Posted by William Murphy, On 22/09/2008 15:01

David, there is nothing wrong with competition, in fact the travel industry thrives upon it. What is being called into question in these comments and elsewhere across the web is the fitness of some to provide that competition. Your sign-off requesting a "kiss" not only demeans the plight the independent tour operators who have lost money or even gone bust through the miss-management of the XL pyramid, but also to the tens of thousands of holidaymakers in misery and all those XL staff outside of the boardroom who were unwittingly working their socks off, unaware that the head of the XL beast was dysfunctional. I was astounded to read Paul's comments in his interview with Lucy; to gloat over the availability of 2nd hand aircraft was beyond the pale.


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10.  Posted by david archer, On 22/09/2008 13:46

I have to say Im delighted about Kiss Air. / flights. Obviously it offers potential for new jobs and some much needed competition in the UK charter market.
All these negative people on here just havent got a clue ! everything you say would just lead to a monopoly of Thomsons/ Thomas Cook. I suspect alot of supposedly squeeky clean "travel industry experts " were more than a little involved in pushing XL under. Give me a kiss


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11.  Posted by stuart ramage, On 22/09/2008 10:59

Do these people know no shame ?

Delighted to see the negative responses to this charade.

Please remember that my company, the original freedom flights, is in no way connected to this bunch and is still trading after 20years and attempting to protect my good name and reputation.

I for one will be informing as many people as possible as to the the structure of this new venture and wish it the future it deserves


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12.  Posted by Mike Greenacre, On 20/09/2008 07:59

After a week of turmoil in our company and thousands of extra hours of grief and stress we have finally emerged from the disaster that was XL's collapse. While my many hundreds of staff have been hard at work recovering from this situation it is heartwarming to learn that those responsible have already moved on to pastures new and set up another potential disaster somewhere down the road.
I was explaining to my 7 year old Grandson what had happened when he asked me "why cant my friends fly home from their holiday" what had happened and he replied "Could I get a plane and fly them home". He didnt realise the significance of his remark, for quite clearly one would have to imagine that the answer to his question is probably "YES you can" for this Government and the CAA to me seem totally ineffective in really controlling who is able to operate an airline and how regulated it should be. We have a difficult time ahead rebooking the thousands of customers that have been left stranded by this collapse. I personally though will do everything in my power to ensure that throughout our company we no longer run the risk of the exposure we have just incurred and that we will deal only with reputable partners going forward. To do anything else now would be completely irresponsible.


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13.  Posted by Harrold Murray, On 19/09/2008 21:23

I have always been uncomfortable with the "same old, same old" faces popping up after a collapse. This is about as subtle as a brick through a plate glass window. I for one would not dream of selling a Kiss flight or having them anywhere near the place - and I thought that before reading the previous posts concerning this article. Having dropped an awful lot of people in it, one would have thought that to lie low may be more appropriate. Using the "Nuernberg Defence" (It wasn't me, guv, I was only following orders) does not work. Someone this close to the top either a) must have known what was going on and is therefore taking the you know what or b) if they didn't, could only be described as incompetent. Frankly, I doubt if anyone else would trust these people.


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14.  Posted by , On 19/09/2008 19:54

Sorry, just how stupid do they think we are?
We at XL did route studies for Viking who are supplying the aircraft. Its the same routes for the same passengers. He actually says that Freedom Flights has been supplying 3rd party operators for 10 years, and then claims its not linked to XL as most seat sales are to 3rd party operators...
Everyone at XL has been talking about Kiss for months. Michael left months ago to set it up and wait for him to join. Someone has a porsche with a personal number plate that reads KISS FLY from a distance...
Please..... if you are going to shaft us at least have the nerve to do it to our faces...
And first word of fourth paragraph should be Moss not Smith.


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15.  Posted by hash modha, On 19/09/2008 18:42

yes as it appears,making ways and filling up pockets,if the Regulators can even start to make head ways,making people accountable,may be one day 50 years later one would see a little progress,i speak from experience,just remember what happened to Freddie Laker!this is not far away from that!


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16.  Posted by Ramadan Ozdemir, On 19/09/2008 17:01

I find it difficult to accept that an MD of Freedom flights leaves XL group just before bankrupcy, and conveniently 3 days after liquidation announces his new position. To me this is a spin off opportunity for coverage on a new company. As any Marketeer will tell you "even bad publicity is better than no publicity".

It is then referred to as 25% of all customers of Freedom Flights went to third parties. You may want to ask these third parties if they would be delighted to work with a company clearly connected to Freedom flights and all the management after losing £££ off the face of this unfortunate & unpredictable event.

Marketing is at an all high shallow point.


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